template - very slow

As I already read in the forum : esport is one of the slowest templates from GK. What is the reason ? Can we speed template in some ways ?

For example I have gk_mystore on the same server, and difference in speed between mystore and esport is huge.

Hi,

We have the same structure for all templates because we use Gavern framework for them, so it's not fair when saying that esport is slower than others. A site running slow could be caused by many issues like:

- It has a huge/heavy content to display.

- It doesn't use cache/optimization modes..

- Server performance, internet connection speed..

...

Well it is even obvious in your demo

What I wanted from this post : some fix to speed it up.

I'm not sure what to fix, first please keep your template, cache plugin up to date, there must be a lot of bug fixes included to speed it up as well.

Where I can download latest GK Cache ? And should joomla cache and GK cache be turned on together ? I think I turned them off because it was making some conflicts.. not sure now.

Please find details in https://www.gavick.com/documentation/jo ... ce-plugin/

Thanks,

I disabled joomla cache, enabled GK Cache and enabled plg_system_gavickExtCache, but now I have problems with shopping cart : in the final checkout I see some one else products..

Can you please let me see the problem?

If I enable all cache I get also problems with pictures - they are gone. Please take a look on my problem, I will send login info in PM.

Now one of the cache is turned off as this is live site.

Hi,

Thanks for the PM, I have just checked but I couldn't found any problem when the cache plugins were enabled. Besides, I have moved the plugins to bottom of the list to avoid some problems.

If you see the problems again, please take a screenshot to show it to me.

Cheers,

I still have problems (after template update) :

if I add product on one browser and open another browser to add different product, I get the same product in the cart from the first browser. Please take a look.

I turned plg_system_gavickExtCache as this is causing this problem.

Thanks for you patient.

Hi,

Thanks for the PM, I have just checked but I couldn't found any problem when the cache plugins were enabled. Besides, I have moved the plugins to bottom of the list to avoid some problems.

If you see the problems again, please take a screenshot to show it to me.

Cheers,

Did you looked at the problem ? The site is sooow slow..

Last time when you did something it was better, but after update problems began again. So I turned off.

As this is really important - reminding one more time to take a looks at the problem Thanks.

Hi,

I have just checked the site again and seen that you have moved the cache plugins to very top of the list, this could cause a lot of problems because cache plugins should work last when everything is generated.

I turned on plg_system_gavickExtCache and moved them to very bottom.

And the problem : if I add something into basket next visitor also has the same basket content. I thought that this is only on the same computer different browsers, but this is also true for other computers as well.

So I turned this plugin off. Please check the problem more deeply. Thanks!

P.S. should global joomla cache be on when both Gavick cache plugins enabled ?

Hi,

I have just checked the site again and seen that you have moved the cache plugins to very top of the list, this could cause a lot of problems because cache plugins should work last when everything is generated.

I see problems with that plugin now, please keep it disabled temporarily, I'm gonna report it to our developers to check and fix soon.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Regards,

Finally

Thanks and waiting for the fix.

I see problems with that plugin now, please keep it disabled temporarily, I'm gonna report it to our developers to check and fix soon.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Regards,

I will update you soon when we find something, your patience is appreciated.

Thanks,

Yes, definitely a problem with plg_system_gavickExtCache and Virtuemart? Same problem experienced as Vaičikonis when plugin enabled - any current cart containing product is stored in cache and displayed for other visitors on other computers.

I have just received an email from a developer regarding this problem:

I've switched template to Beez and disabled our cache plugins but use the default Joomla one - effect is the same looks like products are not removed from cart. I think that in this case the cache should be disabled, the changes in cart are with ajax and this is why the Joomla cache system don't detect changes to overwrite page in cache.

Right now, I don't see any solution for this, maybe custom field in cache plugin options to exclude pages.

BTW tell user to update language file properly because he has many translation problems in admin panel.

We will check further and get you guys updated soon.

Regards,

OK waiting for fix very much, as site is too slow for being used.

What language files should be updated ?

P.S. could you check also my facebook login problem, because I see that this problem hanging for 2 months already.

I have just received an email from a developer regarding this problem:
BTW tell user to update language file properly because he has many translation problems in admin panel.

Any news on this important problem ?

Good news ?

I'm not sure what to fix, first please keep your template, cache plugin up to date, there must be a lot of bug fixes included to speed it up as well.

I agree ! LeaugeNews, for instance, is extremely slow beyond usability.

I installed its quickstart 'as is' from Gavick on a commercial host server that really flies - but LeagueNews is very slow.

Well, if this structure performs that poorly then it is an invitation to re-structure, I guess.

But if an immediate workaround is possible then please provide a fix - asap.

Regards,
Al

Hi

I was asked to join the discussion.

I've checked Vaičikonis site and a time from test is 3.5s when cached by browser but sure without cache it took almost 10s. Anyway a number of files which needs to be loaded is big. All this product images and additional javascripts takes time to load. I advice to use some plugin which will merge all js and css into one. This will speed it up a lot. Also try to use a different style for Image Show. This one cannot be used on all websites. It slows browsers is too many parts is choosen which makes it look loading slower.

But did you noticed the main problem : it is impossible to use plg_system_gavickExtCache as this is causing serious problems. Sure it would be faster if plg_system_gavickExtCache would work correctly, but now it has issues.

What we ask is programmers job : to fix plg_system_gavickExtCache

Hi

I was asked to join the discussion.

I've checked Vaičikonis site and a time from test is 3.5s when cached by browser but sure without cache it took almost 10s. Anyway a number of files which needs to be loaded is big. All this product images and additional javascripts takes time to load. I advice to use some plugin which will merge all js and css into one. This will speed it up a lot. Also try to use a different style for Image Show. This one cannot be used on all websites. It slows browsers is too many parts is choosen which makes it look loading slower.

After update to 2.11 site ismore responsive, still not it should be, but better. I think if you could fix faster cache plugin it would be good enough for using.

When we can expect the fix ?

Hi

What is the problem with GK Cache plugin ? I'm using it all the time. Anyway I know one issue which is a problem when Joomla Cache and GK Cache are working together. Try disable joomla cache.

On top of all, cache is not everything. It speeds up the proces of load elements, but if there is too many elements to load than cache will only be able to help a little. True solution to speed is using as less elements as possible, which means to merge css and javascript files, also css images loading from one image where possible is a good solution. Unfortunately merging images require a lot of work, but js and css are not a big deal when You use JFinalizer or JOptimization plugins. Please try that.

In template settings, should those be ON : CSS cache, CSS compression ?

This is my problem with cache :

the problem : if I add something into basket next visitor also has the same basket content. I thought that this is only on the same computer different browsers, but this is also true for other computers as well.

So I turned this plugin off. Please check the problem more deeply. Thanks!

Hi

What is the problem with GK Cache plugin ? I'm using it all the time. Anyway I know one issue which is a problem when Joomla Cache and GK Cache are working together. Try disable joomla cache.

On top of all, cache is not everything. It speeds up the proces of load elements, but if there is too many elements to load than cache will only be able to help a little. True solution to speed is using as less elements as possible, which means to merge css and javascript files, also css images loading from one image where possible is a good solution. Unfortunately merging images require a lot of work, but js and css are not a big deal when You use JFinalizer or JOptimization plugins. Please try that.

Hi

Ok. I would try to disable GK cache than and use the one provided by joomla. Unfortunately with some server configuration this cache does problems. You will notice it if content will be displaying double.

Anyway with JOptimization plugin I think there is no need for cache form template and joomla it has it's own system (or maby it was JFinalizer, sorry I do not remember right now).

The best would be to fix plg_system_gavickExtCache bug, because when all these cache is ON speed is normal. So the "shared basket content" bug is the real problem here.

JFinalizer is not maintained any more.

Hi

Ok. I would try to disable GK cache than and use the one provided by joomla. Unfortunately with some server configuration this cache does problems. You will notice it if content will be displaying double.

Anyway with JOptimization plugin I think there is no need for cache form template and joomla it has it's own system (or maby it was JFinalizer, sorry I do not remember right now).

I found a programmer who can fix plg_system_gavickExtCache for 120$. I don't know is it big money for Gavick, but I know that for me it would be the most needed fix at this moment.

If Gavick is interested in it please contact me if not then please fix this bug.

Thanks.

Hi

Ok. I'm sending this message to programmers.

Hi

Looks like Don already reported it for You and programmers found that the issue is with joomla cache not our addon.

I've switched template to Beez and disable our cache plugins but use the default Joomla one - effect is the same looks like products are not removed from cart. I think that in this case the cache should be disabled, the changes in cart are with ajax and this is why the Jooml cache system don't detect changes to overwrite page in cache.

Please try with Joomla cache turned OFF and you will see that problem is only when plg_system_gavickExtCache is ON. So I do not understand how it can be joomla cache problem.

Hi

Looks like Don already reported it for You and programmers found that the issue is with joomla cache not our addon.

I've switched template to Beez and disable our cache plugins but use the default Joomla one - effect is the same looks like products are not removed from cart. I think that in this case the cache should be disabled, the changes in cart are with ajax and this is why the Jooml cache system don't detect changes to overwrite page in cache.

Is this case "closed" or still programmers have it in "to do list" ?
If the problem will be in Gavick extension I think it would be fair Gavick to pay for fix to my programmer who will fix it, if not then I will pay my self for fixing joomla bug.

Can we agree on that ?

P.S. too many words "fix" in this reply

Hi

An answer from programmers is that our plugin is just a small override to orginal joomla cache, so it's using joomla cache functionality even if it's disabled. But please make a simple test and check with our cache plugin disabled and joomla cache enabled if it's acting differently. Than I'll let programmers know that problem has to be in this override.

Well there is nothing to check, now it is running with joomla cache ON and your plugin off and no problems so far, just slow site.

So as you can see this is your override problem.

P.S. maybe it will help you : if plugin is ON in the basket all users see the same content, but if we turn off plugin while using site, the "true" basket shows up. So products are in the basket so they are kept some where just cache gives wrong info ?

Hi

An answer from programmers is that our plugin is just a small override to orginal joomla cache, so it's using joomla cache functionality even if it's disabled. But please make a simple test and check with our cache plugin disabled and joomla cache enabled if it's acting differently. Than I'll let programmers know that problem has to be in this override.

Hi

I'm resending this information to programmers.

Hi

Programmer has checked it and told me that You joomla cache was disabled. When He activated it than cart is still not working even if our cache is OFF. So it looks like it's a joomla bug after all.